Talk:Champion (D&D class)

Changed a lot of names, removing "Champion" and renaming Defense -> Tactics. Renamed the Champion Commander utility pool to Champion Officer.

There is still an awful lot of redundant use "Champion" of Champion in power names. --Urban Blom

Remade the Champion of Vengeance into a Spider Champion, more closely corresponding to the Drow Justiciar abilities. Lessened the Con damage and made it usable several times per day, even on the same target. Removed the Judiciar spell list - it was basically identical to the Blackguard list anyway. An approximation of the original Drow Judicator should cast spells as a blackguard, which also gives turning ability. -- Starfox

Blackguard spell list is fine for Spider Champion. I'm not too sure about turn/rebuke though. It doesn't really suit the concept. As the favored champions of the Goddess (and since they gain other arachnid powers), perhaps they could get the ability to speak with or command spiders. Think using tiny spiders as spies as opposed to a spider mount. This would of course be difficult to represent in game terms. Poison immunity might be an option, whether rationalized as immunity form being bitten many times, or as a sign of Lolth's favor. --Urban Blom

As a domain spellcaster, the Justicar can't turn undead. Instead, it has access to two domains from Lolth's list. -- Starfox