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			Purple Duck Games.

	The details of how to hide are somewhat obscure. This is an attempt to clear up the different situations where Stealth checks to hide are needed.		The details of how to hide are somewhat obscure. This is an attempt to clear up the different situations where Stealth checks to hide are needed.

Starfox: /* Non-Combat Stealth */ wk

2017-12-04T13:02:46Z

Non-Combat Stealth: wk

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	In a setting that regularly provides concealment or cover, such as a forest or crowded street, Stealth can be used to unobtrusively follow another creature. This is handled with an opposed roll of Stealth vs. Perception. Range penalties do not apply, the distance between shadow and quarry varies from moment to moment. The marathon stealth rules can be used here.		In a setting that regularly provides concealment or cover, such as a forest or crowded street, Stealth can be used to unobtrusively follow another creature. This is handled with an opposed roll of Stealth vs. Perception. Range penalties do not apply, the distance between shadow and quarry varies from moment to moment. The marathon stealth rules can be used here.
	== Non-Combat Stealth ==		== Non-Combat Stealth ==
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			\|+''' Unaware Condition
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			\|To make Stealth easier to use the GM may use the unaware condition.
			An intelligent creature that does not expect trouble is unaware. This applies to most noncombatants, and to combatants who are not expecting trouble or standing on guard.
			An unaware creature always takes 10 on perception checks. They are often distracted as well.
			When a creature fails an opposed Stealth check against an unaware enemy, the enemy does not spot the stealthy creature, but looses the unaware condition.
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	Do not use these rules in combat; they are intended for avoiding combat.		Do not use these rules in combat; they are intended for avoiding combat.

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 === Automatically Leaving Stealth ===
 If you run, make an attack, or take an obvious action (such as speaking to satisfy a verbal component) you leave Stealth immediately after the action. (Exception ===
-sniping.) You can attempt to resume hiding, but usually do so at a penalty, see Table ===
+sniping.) You can attempt to resume hiding, but usually do so at a penalty, see Table
 Compound Stealth Modifiers. If, on another creature's turn, you do not fulfill any of the conditions for going into Stealth against that creature, you are automatically spotted.
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 Using Stealth over long distances can quickly grow repetitive. To simplify the process, assume that both sides are taking 10 until the point of greatest risk; that is when the chance of being spotted is greatest, or at 30 ft. range if approaching an observer that closely. Apply a –4 penalty on the first Stealth check to represent the cumulative risk of multiple observations. The GM should always require Stealth checks at obstacles, such as when climbing a fence or wading a moat.
 Note that it is possible to avoid having to use marathon stealth by taking only 5 ft. steps and remaining in cover; as noted above this requires no Stealth checks.
 == External Links ==

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	~~{\| class="wikitable"~~		The details of how to hide are somewhat obscure. This is an attempt to clear up the different situations where Stealth checks to hide are needed.
	~~\|'''Interpretation, News, Rewrite''' <br>~~
	The ~~stealth rules~~ are ~~pretty unclear~~. ~~Every time I talk with someone, it seems there~~ is ~~a new interpretations. Do you need cover and distraction, or just one of them? What constitutes a distraction? How often do you roll out of combat? Can you even use Stealth in combat? I decided~~ to ~~try and straighten out some of these question-marks.~~

	~~Much of this article is merely recapitulation and interpretation; I explain~~ the Stealth ~~rules as I understand them. But certain parts are either new or rewritten.~~

	~~State of alertness, group stealth, and taking 10 are new rules.~~

	~~Invisibility has been made to confirm more closely~~ to ~~the normal Stealth rules. Rather than having its own rule for when a character is pinpointed or merely spotted, it uses the general state of alertness rule.~~
	\|}
	~~You~~ are ~~skilled at avoiding detection, allowing you to slip past foes or strike from an unseen position. This skill covers hiding and moving silently~~.

	== Hiding ==		== Hiding ==
	You are usually either hidden against all enemies or not hidden at all; as long as your enemies communicate, they are able to point out your location to each other if any of them know where you are. Sometimes this can be to your advantage; an enemy who reports your location to its allies might make sounds which can reveal its own location.		You are usually either hidden against all enemies or not hidden at all; as long as your enemies communicate, they are able to point out your location to each other if any of them know where you are. Sometimes this can be to your advantage; an enemy who reports your location to its allies might make sounds which can reveal its own location.
	If you are already in hiding when a possible observer enters the scene, you remain hidden until you act, the enemy moves into a position that prevents your Stealth, or an enemy takes an action to make a Perception check that beats your Stealth.		If you are already in hiding when a possible observer enters the scene, you remain hidden until you act, the enemy moves into a position that prevents your Stealth, or an enemy takes an action to make a Perception check that beats your Stealth.

	If you have successfully used Stealth, you are effectively invisible. You gain a +2 bonus on the attack roll, and the opponent cannot apply its Dexterity bonus to armor class. This allows you to use the sneak attack ability. Only your first attack gains this benefit. Attackers don't know where you are, and must guess at a square to attack in. Even if they do pick the right square, they still suffer 50% miss chance due to total concealment.		If you have successfully used Stealth, you are effectively invisible. You gain a +2 bonus on the attack roll, and the opponent cannot apply its Dexterity bonus to armor class. This allows you to use the sneak attack ability. Only your first attack gains this benefit. Attackers don't know where you are, and must guess at a square to attack in. Even if they do pick the right square, they still suffer 50% miss chance due to total concealment.
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	~~\|+''' Unaware Condition~~
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	~~\|To make Stealth easier to use the GM may use the unaware condition.~~
	~~An intelligent creature that does not expect trouble is unaware. This applies to most noncombatants, and to combatants who are not expecting trouble or standing on guard.~~
	~~An unaware creature always takes 10 on perception checks. They are often distracted as well.~~
	~~When a creature fails an opposed Stealth check against an unaware enemy, the enemy does not spot the stealthy creature, but looses the unaware condition.~~
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	~~The details of how to hide are somewhat obscure. This is an attempt to clear up the different situations where Stealth checks to hide are needed.~~
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	\|+ '''Table: Compound Stealth Modifiers'''		\|+ '''Table: Compound Stealth Modifiers'''
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	\|colspan=2\| † These modifiers are halved if the observer is adjacent to the obstacle or in a very quiet environment; anytime you could hear incidental noises like breathing.		\|colspan=2\| † These modifiers are halved if the observer is adjacent to the obstacle or in a very quiet environment; anytime you could hear incidental noises like breathing.
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	=== Going Into Hiding ===		=== Going Into Hiding ===
	To use stealth to hide you must move (including a 5 ft. step) and cannot have any enemy in your reach. As you can only move once in your turn, you can only go into hiding once on your turn. You also need to satisfy one of these conditions against every potential observer.		To use stealth to hide you must move (including a 5 ft. step) and cannot have any enemy in your reach. As you can only move once in your turn, you can only go into hiding once on your turn. You also need to satisfy one of these conditions against every potential observer.
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	''Note that if sniping fails, you can take a 5 ft. step and fulfill the conditions on entering Stealth at the beginning of a round. This grants the attack advantages of Stealth and avoids all circumstance penalties due to your actions in the previous round. You will end your turn visible.		''Note that if sniping fails, you can take a 5 ft. step and fulfill the conditions on entering Stealth at the beginning of a round. This grants the attack advantages of Stealth and avoids all circumstance penalties due to your actions in the previous round. You will end your turn visible.
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	~~== Special Cases ==~~		\|+''' Unaware Condition
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	=== ~~Camouflage and Hide in Plain Sight~~ ===		\|To make Stealth easier to use the GM may use the unaware condition.
	~~Rangers and some other characters gain improved stealth abilities. The rangers~~		An intelligent creature that does not expect trouble is unaware. This applies to most noncombatants, and to combatants who are not expecting trouble or standing on guard.
	~~[http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/ranger#TOC-Camouflage-Ex- camouflage] class feature and similar abilities means you always have concealment for the purpose of Stealth.~~		An unaware creature always takes 10 on perception checks. They are often distracted as well.
	~~[http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/ranger#TOC-Hide-in-Plain-Sight-Ex- Hide in plain sight] means you can always have cover~~ '''~~and''' all observers are considered distracted. These benefits only apply to the use of Stealth; they offer no combat advantages.~~		When a creature fails an opposed Stealth check against an unaware enemy, the enemy does not spot the stealthy creature, but looses the unaware condition.
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	~~=== Invisibility ===~~
	Invisibility denies all observers a line-of-sight and thus normally imposes a -20 penalty on Perception checks as above. Invisibility provides both distraction and concealment. If an observer can perceive the invisible character with another sense, such as blindsight, invisibility, or clear tracks in sand or snow, the invisibility is downgraded to ~~normal concealment or entirely negated, as~~ the GM ~~decides~~.

	~~=== Senses Other Than Sight ===~~
	~~Most creatures rely on sight for penetrating stealth, but there are some special cases.~~

	''[http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/special-abilities#TOC-Darkvision Darkvision] and [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/special-abilities#TOC-Low-Light-Vision low-light vision]'' allows creatures to [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Concealment ignore concealment] in conditions of poor light, but it is ~~still possible to use contrasting shadows against such vision~~. ~~Thus, it can actually become easier~~ to ~~hide against creatures with darkvision by introducing a light source~~, and ~~thus shadows.~~

	~~''Alternate Primary Senses:'' There~~ are ~~some senses that penetrate most cover and concealment~~. ~~See~~
	~~[http://www~~.~~d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/special-abilities#TOC-Blindsight-and-Blindsense blindsense, blindsight], and~~
	~~[http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules#TOC-Tremorsense-Ex- tremorsense]~~.
	~~Even in this case you can still hide if you manage to somehow conceal yourself~~ against the ~~sense in question, such as masking your scent against scent-based blindsight or~~ not ~~touch~~ the ~~ground against tremorsense.~~

	~~''Secondary Senses:'' Secondary senses can penetrate Stealth~~ but ~~are more vulnerable to distractions. This is where~~ the variable modifier for total concealment comes from; with less distraction there is more opportunity for secondary senses to work. A character that has one or more secondary senses put out of action suffer a -4 penalty on Perception checks, compare the [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions#TOC-Deafened deafened] condition.

	== Action ==		== Action ==
	Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action. You can use stealth as part of a 5 ft. step. You can only make one attempt at Stealth per round.		Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action. You can use stealth as part of a 5 ft. step. You can only make one attempt at Stealth per round.

	~~== Taking 10 or 20 ==~~
	Once you are successfully hidden and are aware of all potential observers, you can take 10 on Stealth checks. Since unaware observers generally take 10 on their Perception checks and are often distracted as well, it is possible to remain in Stealth indefinitely unless something untoward happens, such as new creatures entering the scene. You cannot take 20 on Stealth checks.

	~~== Size and Stealth ==~~
	Creatures gain a bonus or penalty on Stealth checks based on their size: Fine +16, Diminutive +12, Tiny +8, Small +4, Large –4, Huge –8, Gargantuan –12, Colossal -16. This changes the basic skill check modifier for Stealth; it is not a situational modifier.

	== External Links ==		== External Links ==

Starfox: /* Table Compound Stealth Modifiers */ wk

2017-12-04T12:53:37Z

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	~~=== Table Compound Stealth Modifiers ===~~		The details of how to hide are somewhat obscure. This is an attempt to clear up the different situations where Stealth checks to hide are needed.
	This ~~table has all Stealth and the relevant Perception modifiers in a single table. All are expressed as modifiers~~ to ~~Stealth, but can just as well be reversed to be modifiers to Perception. The “when entering stealth” modifiers only count actions during~~ the ~~current turn and only applies to~~ Stealth checks to hide~~, not to checks to remain hidden. Situation modifiers~~ are environmental conditions such as light, noisy surfaces, leaving a trail, a dense crowd, or unlikely hiding places. Extreme situation modifiers are such things as raging fires, wading in water or mud, a riot, or sneaking past a sentry.		{\| class="wikitable" align="right" width="40%"
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	\|~~\|'''Stealthy creature is… \|\|align~~=~~right~~\|~~'''~~Stealth ~~Modifier~~		\|colspan=2\| This table has all Stealth and the relevant Perception modifiers in a single table. All are expressed as modifiers to Stealth, but can just as well be reversed to be modifiers to Perception. The “when entering stealth” modifiers only count actions during the current turn and only applies to Stealth checks to hide, not to checks to remain hidden. Situation modifiers are environmental conditions such as light, noisy surfaces, leaving a trail, a dense crowd, or unlikely hiding places. Extreme situation modifiers are such things as raging fires, wading in water or mud, a riot, or sneaking past a sentry.
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	\|\|In improved cover \|\|align=right\| +10†		\|\|In improved cover \|\|align=right\| +10†
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	\|\| '''When entering Stealth \|\|align=right\|		\|\| ''' When entering Stealth \|\|align=right\|
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	\|\|In combat or speaking \|\|align=right\| –20		\|\|In combat or speaking \|\|align=right\| –20
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	\|\| '''Observer is... ~~\|\|align=right\|~~		\|\| '''Observer is...
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	\|\|Some distance away \|\|align=right\| +1 per 10 feet		\|\|Some distance away \|\|align=right\| +1 per 10 feet
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			\|colspan=2\| † These modifiers are halved if the observer is adjacent to the obstacle or in a very quiet environment; anytime you could hear incidental noises like breathing.
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	~~† These modifiers are halved if the observer is adjacent to the obstacle or in a very quiet environment; anytime you could hear incidental noises like breathing.~~
	~~The details of how to hide are somewhat obscure. This is an attempt to clear up the different situations where Stealth checks to hide are needed.~~

	=== Going Into Hiding ===		=== Going Into Hiding ===

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	* The creatures is being distracted by a [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/bluff Bluff] check.		* The creatures is being distracted by a [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/bluff Bluff] check.
	* You have total cover or total concealment against the creature.		* You have total cover or total concealment against the creature.
	Note that a distraction is only required to hide when you are currently being seen. If an opponent can't see you or you are ~~currently~~ hidden, you don't need a distraction.		Note that a distraction is only required to hide when you are currently being seen. If an opponent can't see you or you are already hidden, you don't need a distraction.

	=== Cover or Concealment ===		=== Cover or Concealment ===

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	== Hiding ==		== Hiding ==
	Your Stealth check is opposed by the Perception check of anyone who might notice you. As soon as you attack or do something to draw attention to yourself, you exit stealth. For exceptions see sniping below.		Your Stealth check is opposed by the Perception check of anyone who might notice you. As soon as you attack or do something to draw attention to yourself, you exit stealth. (For exceptions see sniping below.) You also leave hiding if you are spotted by an observer taking a move action to perform a Perception check.

			If you take an action that does not automatically break hiding (see above), you need to make a Stealth check to remain hidden.

	You are usually either hidden against all enemies or not hidden at all; as long as your enemies communicate, they are able to point out your location to each other if any of them know where they are. Sometimes this can be to your advantage; an enemy who reports your location to its allies might make sounds which can reveal its own location.		You are usually either hidden against all enemies or not hidden at all; as long as your enemies communicate, they are able to point out your location to each other if any of them know where they are. Sometimes this can be to your advantage; an enemy who reports your location to its allies might make sounds which can reveal its own location.

	If you are successfully using Stealth and attack another creature, you gain a +2 bonus on the attack roll, and the opponent cannot apply its Dexterity bonus to armor class. This allows you to use the sneak attack ability rogues and some other characters have. Only your first attack in a round gains this benefit.		If you are successfully using Stealth and attack another creature, you are effectively invisible. You gain a +2 bonus on the attack roll, and the opponent cannot apply its Dexterity bonus to armor class. This allows you to use the sneak attack ability rogues and some other characters have. Only your first attack in a round gains this benefit.

	Attackers don't know where you are, and must guess at a square to attack in. Even if they do pick the right square, they still suffer 50% miss chance due to total concealment.		Attackers don't know where you are, and must guess at a square to attack in. Even if they do pick the right square, they still suffer 50% miss chance due to total concealment.

			'''Ambush
			If you are hiding when a possible observer enters the scene, you remain hidden until you act or the use a move action and succeeds at a Perception check to spot you.
			If you have plenty of time to set up an ambush, you can take 20 on Stealth checks, and this applies as long as observers remain where you expected them to. Against an unexpected observer, you must make a normal Stealth check.


	=== Stealth Check Modifiers ===		=== Stealth Check Modifiers ===
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	\|valign="top"\| Running or attacking \|\|valign="top"\| –20		\|valign="top"\| Running or attacking \|\|valign="top"\| –20
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			\|valign="top"\| Behind an obstacle (corner, screen) \|\| valign="top" align="right"\| +5¤
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			\|valign="top"\| Improved cover or behind a closed door <br>''Halve this modifier if observer is adjacent to a known door or cover. \|\| valign="top" align="right"\| +10¤
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			\|valign="top"\| Total concealment (invisible, full cover)<br>''Assumes distractions, like a city street or busy room. In a quiet setting or when another sense could reveal the character this modifier is reduced to -10, or even less in an absolute quiet. \|\| valign="top" align="right"\| +20¤
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			\| colspan=2 valign=top \| ¤ Strictly speaking, this is a Perception penalty. It does not stack with the penalty noted for the same thing in the Perception skill.
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	~~=== Perception Check Modifiers ===~~
	~~{{ : Perception Check Modifiers (Apath) }}~~
	== Conditions For Going Into Stealth ==		== Conditions For Going Into Stealth ==
	To hide using stealth, you need to satisfy '''two''' conditions, you need to be under cover or concealment, and all observers need to be distracted.		To hide using stealth, you need to satisfy '''two''' conditions, you need to be under cover or concealment, and all observers need to be distracted.

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			=== Perception Check Modifiers ===
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	== Conditions For Going Into Stealth ==		== Conditions For Going Into Stealth ==
	To hide using stealth, you need to satisfy '''two''' conditions, you need to be under cover or concealment, and all observers need to be distracted.		To hide using stealth, you need to satisfy '''two''' conditions, you need to be under cover or concealment, and all observers need to be distracted.
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	If you are attacked while in Stealth, you must make an opposed Stealth check as a free action to remain hidden; apply any hit point damage you took from the attack as a penalty on your Stealth check.		If you are attacked while in Stealth, you must make an opposed Stealth check as a free action to remain hidden; apply any hit point damage you took from the attack as a penalty on your Stealth check.

			=== States of Alertness ===
	{{ : States of Alertness (Apath) }}		{{ : States of Alertness (Apath) }}
	== Camouflage and Hiding Objects ==		== Camouflage and Hiding Objects ==

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	If you are attacked while in Stealth, you must make an opposed Stealth check as a free action to remain hidden; apply any hit point damage you took from the attack as a penalty on your Stealth check.		If you are attacked while in Stealth, you must make an opposed Stealth check as a free action to remain hidden; apply any hit point damage you took from the attack as a penalty on your Stealth check.
	{{ : States of Alertness (Apath) }}		{{ : States of Alertness (Apath) }}
	== Camouflage and Hiding Objects ==		== Camouflage and Hiding Objects ==
	A creature can use Stealth to try and hide an object or even another creature. This is a full-round action for each 5 ft. square to be camouflaged, and uses the size modifiers of the creature or object to be hidden. All normal conditions for Stealth must be fulfilled. Use the stealth bonus of the creature that did the hiding rather than that of the hidden creature, making checks as required when observers could see through the camouflage. If the object or creature moves or is moved, this use of Stealth ends. Camouflage netting is useful in this situation.		A creature can use Stealth to try and hide an object or even another creature. This is a full-round action for each 5 ft. square to be camouflaged, and uses the size modifiers of the creature or object to be hidden. All normal conditions for Stealth must be fulfilled. Use the stealth bonus of the creature that did the hiding rather than that of the hidden creature, making checks as required when observers could see through the camouflage. If the object or creature moves or is moved, this use of Stealth ends. Camouflage netting is useful in this situation.